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ELPEMOUT

10-26-2004, 07:23 PM

John Kerry Will Win, And Every Body Knows This To Be True

SFjoey

10-27-2004, 01:39 AM

You've got to be kidding. You know Bush will win. He's leading in a majority of the polls.

SFjosh

10-27-2004, 08:53 AM

elpemout-you are bordering on frvilous posts and spam. just a head's up...

Dee

10-27-2004, 02:33 PM

Well.....good luck 2 both of them. May the best man win. We ALL know who's the best man 4 the job, right, ELPEMOUNT? ;)

primo1

10-27-2004, 04:04 PM

Bush is going to win I agree with you Joey..

taxnerd

10-27-2004, 05:06 PM

yukey to both candidates, vote for Nader!

dberg1

10-27-2004, 05:46 PM

I'm afraid a vote for Nadar will just split the democratic vote - then Bush will be in office for another 4.

SFjoey

10-27-2004, 06:16 PM

yukey to both candidates, vote for Nader!

This really is, despite what many will tell you, throwing your vote away. It is impossible for Nader to get more than a few % of the entire popular vote. He really shouldn't even be considered a factor in anyone's decision.

Saying that...It is your right to vote for whomever you choose. So go ahead and throw it away. :)

Old Guy

10-27-2004, 08:50 PM

Nicholasp27

10-27-2004, 09:13 PM

kerry's promises will cost 2.1 trillion

bush just spent 7 trillion and that's ok? but it's not ok for kerry to spend 2.1 trillion to give people health care??

and kerry will have a republican congress, so can't spend too much...not like free-spending bush with a republican congress

taxnerd

10-28-2004, 11:08 AM

So true, the costs and impact of running a country. And, no one even mentioned how much the war has cost us? Electing a President is a lot like throwning darts blindfolded.

Nailady

10-28-2004, 01:04 PM

yukey to both candidates, vote for Nader!I think Spiff Carner would make a better candidate! :eek:

SFjoey

10-28-2004, 02:00 PM

Willy Wonka

10-28-2004, 02:50 PM

Hay! Let's all vote Nader and save another "hanging chad" episode.

Peter Oberth

10-28-2004, 04:06 PM

I just bought an Island off the coast of neverland. Who wants to join me and setup a community? Joey and Pandora can be co-Presidents (one conservative, one liberal) and I'll be "Guy who bought Island....Guy." We will vote by raising our hands (and do it twice just for kicks). Neither Bush nor Kerry will be allowed to visit and we'll pretend to be hiding WMDs. Who's in??

OtterFreak

10-28-2004, 04:12 PM

Are there free screenings and prizes on this island? :D

blupun

10-28-2004, 06:35 PM

If you PAY TAXES regardless of the amount....YES THERE ARE SCREENINGS.....

wolfe

10-28-2004, 09:01 PM

I find it interesting to see the post of the young. It has been said if you are not a Democrat when you are young you don't have a heart and if you aren't a Republican when you are old you don't have a brain. How is Kerry going to pay for all of his promises-- take the money from the ones of us that have worked hard all our lives to get it. Kerry promises everything to everyone just for the vote. Go Bush!
I find it interesting to see the post of the old. Here's what I don't understand Old Guy, you are defending a president that has issued tax cuts for the rich and Big Corporations, while claiming that Kerry would take money from those that have worked hard all of their lives to get it. Maybe you are one of the few rich people that benefited from Bush's tax cut, or maybe not, but how do you think Bush is going to finance the huge deficit he’s created, as well as the ever increasing cost of the war? Kerry’s plan to roll back the tax cuts for the rich and to close the tax loopholes for Big Corporations will ensure that our financial burden will be better shared by everyone. You question how Kerry is going to pay for all of his promises as if Bush’s fiscal policy makes any sense. Do you think Bush has a clearly defined fiscal policy for how he is a going to finance our billion-dollar deficit, the largest budget deficit in U.S. history, as well as all of his other promises? If you do I would love to hear it. Please keep in mind when Bush took office, he inherited a nearly $300 billion dollar budget surplus, which in four short years he has turned into a $400 billion dollar and counting budget deficit. So if you’re so concerned about having your hard earned money taken away from you, don’t forget who created our record setting Budget Deficit, and put us in our current state of financial difficulty. I believe in accountability, and Bush and his cabinet should be held accountable for what has happened to our economy, to our unemployment rate, to our soldiers in Iraq, to our environment, and on and on.

Also, I just wanted to respond quickly to your comment:

“It has been said if you are not a Democrat when you are young you don't have a heart and if you aren't a Republican when you are old you don't have a brain.”

Whoever originally said this clearly does not have a brain, and I question those that actually repeat it.

Nailady

10-29-2004, 07:23 AM

Willy Wonka

10-29-2004, 02:39 PM

There's a problem - I want to be president. Free coconuts for everyone!!!!

taxnerd

10-29-2004, 04:31 PM

So true...is the truth. Bush has cost us dearly and many are so blinded by his smoke and guns to see the truth. Don't forget his 'funny' math which is why we now have such a big deficit. Not to mention the $300 tax check some folk got the fall of 2001, many didn't get a check because we had to pay for the war. The $300 check caused many headaches for tax preparers as did last fall's pre child tax credit checks. Not to mention, Reganomics of his fathers days. The Repubilcans has cost the average citizen lots of tax deductions and jobs. When folk are broke and out of work or working 2 to 3 jobs, they usually aren't happy with the current government.

taxnerd

10-29-2004, 04:32 PM

Oh, I am so for an island and an intentional community!!! I visit communes and loved the environment. Let's go get us an island!

taxnerd

10-29-2004, 04:38 PM

VOTE Nader!!!

xmanadan

10-30-2004, 11:44 PM

I know a lot of people that bet on the World Series and games leading up to the World Series. Do you think people are gambling on the presidential election?

I don't gamble (because I'm a cheap bastard, like the rest of you free-screening folks probably are), but if I did, I'd put my Monopoly money on Kerry.

In 2000, Al Gore got the most popular votes, but Bush got more electoral votes. So overall, by percentage of citizens, not just politicians, most of American wanted Gore.

Gore won despite being boring, uncharasmatic (often compared to a robot) and using words like "lockbox" that just sounded silly. And going into the race we didn't have any experience of either man as president, only Gore as V.P.

I think after four long years of knowing how Bush does things, Kerry will definately win. He's a more interesting candidate than Gore, and Bush's term is riddled with records that begin with "Worst" and end with ".. in U.S. History." He had protests at his inauguration and had suspicious ties to the state that won him the election. Bush has had more protests against him than any other person in history, even more that Hitler, or Ashlee Simpson.
We should consider that protesting is more common now than in the '40s or '50s, but there is more apathy than in the '60s or '70s.

My friend told me that the outcome of Washington Redskins home football games has correctly predicted the winner of every U.S. presidential election since 1936.

"The Washington Redskins have proved to be a time-tested election predictor. In the previous 15 elections, if the Washington Redskins have lost their last home game prior to the election, the incumbent party has lost the White House. When they have won, the incumbent has stayed in power.
This election year, that deciding game takes place on Sunday, October 31 ... vs. Green Bay.

Go Pack!!! (http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/election.asp) "

So don't waste your time staying up late on Super Tuesday to see who won. Just watch the game Sunday and hope the cheeseheads stick it to them.

Redskins are 2-4 while Packers are 3-4. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/standings)

On Espn.com, 7 out of 8 experts predict Green Bay will win. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent)

There you go.

OtterFreak

10-31-2004, 10:19 AM

If anyone needs a good laugh before the elections, check out Triumph The Insult Dog's interviews with political spin doctors entitled "Poop Valhalla"... http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2653646

OtterFreak

11-01-2004, 05:27 PM

I'm really not that political, but this is funny too...

From: http://www.livejournal.com/users/soultoad/302421.html

My top ten favorite bush quotes, in no particular order…. (my commentary in
parenthesis)

10) "As you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's —
ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally
sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions — you can't — we're
out of sanctions." —George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004 ('honey,
we're out of sanctions AGAIN!?')

9) "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've
been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And
therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one
between sovereign entities." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004
(SPEECHLESS.)

"I want to thank the astronauts who are with us, the courageous spacial
entrepreneurs who set such a wonderful example for the young of our
country." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. Jan. 14, 2004 ('I wanna be a
spacial entrepeneur…')

7)"[W]e've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the
legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative
branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them, and I want to know
who the leakers are." —George W. Bush, Chicago, Sept. 30, 2003 (man, I hate
a leaky administrative branch…)

6)"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time
thinking about myself, about why I do things." —George W. Bush, aboard Air
Force One, June 4, 2003 (be afraid, be very afraid.)

5)"I think war is a dangerous place." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May
7, 2003 (speechless again.)

4)"We actually misnamed the war on terror, it ought to be the struggle
against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies who
happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free
world." --George W. Bush, Unity: Journalists of Color convention, Aug 31st,
2004 (doesn't really roll off the tongue, does it?)

3)"Sometimes, Washington is one of these towns where the person — people who
think they've got the sharp elbow is the most effective person." —George W.
Bush, New Orleans, Dec. 3, 2002 (man, I hate the sharp elbow…)

2) "I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to
explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being
president." —George W. Bush, as quoted in Bob Woodward's "Bush at War"
(personal terror alert is now at red…)

1)"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature
because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods." —George W.
Bush, Dec. 20, 2000 (yeah…I have no idea either….)

Don't forget to vote tomorrow!

dberg1

11-01-2004, 06:23 PM

OMG...that was so funny otter!

pandora

11-01-2004, 06:32 PM

I don't mind being co-president; but do I have to stand next to Joey he smells. (j/k)
Any way I hope everyone votes tomorrow and I know it is your right to vote however you want; but just one small thing. Please don't make me stand in line extra long so you can vote for something that isn't even human like Mickey Mouse. It is cool that you are voting but at least write in a human, please. :D

Old Guy

11-01-2004, 07:11 PM

My goodness Wolfe, did I hit a nerve. Why is it that the left can't have a discussion without rampant emotions. By your statements, I would guess you are just getting starting int he busines world and probably pay on the low end of the tax burden. I don't argue some of your statements. I actually believe government is out of control and far away from what our forefathers pruposed it to be. Neither party tells the truth. Each takes the numbers and makes them sound the way that most benefits them. The statement you make about Bush taking a surplus and making it a deficit is a very good example. It simply matters which accounting method you want to choose to believe. If you view from the left it was a surplus, if you view from the right it really never was a surplus. Who really knows. I have a personal beef with what Kerry did when he came back from Vietnam. You can't understand the importance of this since I know you weren't there and you probably have no direct ties to it that would make his actions relevant to you. They are to me. While I will vote for Bush because I am a Hawk, believe in strong military and believe Bush will not waver on protecting this country, I really like more of the Libertarian policies more than any other. In closing, the only purpose of government now is to support itself and to keep people in high paying positions that have never worked a real job a single day in their life. And ps. I do make a lot of money that I don't want to give up just because I have to support someone that can't support themselves. Life is another old saying--Survival of the fittest. Have a good vote Wolfe.

pandora

11-02-2004, 10:58 AM

I agree the government is out of control; but I don't think it is because we have drifted to far from what the fore fathers had in mind. I think it is the opposite. We are trying way too hard to stick to what they put in place. Granted at the time it was what was needed. But this is hundreds of years later and it is badly out-dated. They had no clue at the time that in the future women could vote and be able to support a family on their own, that slavery wouldn't be around forever, or that nuclear weapons could exist. There are still some very good foundations that they put in place; but we need to build up from that not cling to it afraid of change.

Littleghost

11-02-2004, 01:10 PM

Now I see why I love Shakefire Boards!!:D

Nailady

11-02-2004, 01:52 PM

Yep...the government is out of control...Let's vote for Spiff Carner!
www.atlantacool.com (http://www.atlantacool.com/) :cool:

While we don't have much of a choice in voting for quality in this election, everyone still should get out and exercise their right to vote. Not many countries have that right.

Willy Wonka

11-02-2004, 03:10 PM

The government itself is not out of control, but the people we elected to represent us. For the greater good of the people, they still allow (in one state) a law on the books making interracial marriage illegal, and worry about two people of the same sex marrying when our country is still at war.

Pandora is right - just think, (sorry for all the gun fans) if people had the right to bear arms - every city in the country would be like the Wild West. You would be gun down just for looking at someone the wrong way, not that that doesn't happen now, but ...

Misha

11-02-2004, 03:42 PM

I just got my peachy "I'm a Georgia Voter" sticker. The whole process took less than 20 minutes, and there were only 12 people ahead of us, but poll workers told us that about 500 people came through between 7 and 12 this morning. In all my years of voting, I've never had to wait more than an hour to cast a ballot, but I was totally willing to today. I brought provisions--a book, a newspaper, water, and leftover Halloween candy, plus a chair in the car. I felt like I was packed up and ready to go to war.

It's not too late to VOTE, just remember to stay out the Bushes.

Please, Johnny Be Good today!

SeKayla

11-02-2004, 04:05 PM

I VOTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It took me 2 hours to get to the front of the line today. i am lucky to only have class and no tests or home work due...

they should make election day a public holiday....so people can go vote.....
biggest turn out ever...i guess in the pass people didn't have to worry about standing in line for 2 hours to to make a decision....it's worth it though.

i feel like if you didn't vote today ...you don't have **** to say when the coversation of politics come up...just sit down and shut up...and quit complaining..bc that is what you did on the day you had a chance to be heard.

SeKayla

11-02-2004, 04:14 PM

You've got to be kidding. You know Bush will win. He's leading in a majority of the polls.

that bull**** that is so not true.

Nailady

11-03-2004, 07:59 AM

Yeah...Bush is leading...albeit a small margin. Bush fans...don't start celebrating yet!

It took me all of 15 minutes to vote. I went right after lunch...there were several people, but there were lots of volunteers to accomodate everyone, and it was smooth sailing!

I agree with SeKayla, if you don't vote, you should not even attempt to voice your opinion.

SFjoey

11-03-2004, 10:53 AM

that bull**** that is so not true.

You, my friend, are an asshat. Bush won

SFjohnny

11-03-2004, 01:54 PM

You, my friend, are an asshat. Bush won

asshat? haha. well, that actually was NOT true what you said, Bush was losing in all the polls, but the pollsters have egg on their face now. So, Joey, even though your president got elected, will you still join us on the island:

Nailady

11-04-2004, 09:43 AM

Oh, I am so for an island and an intentional community!!! I visit communes and loved the environment. Let's go get us an island!ROFL!!! Just be sure there's a medic around...taxnerd has a habit of getting into the hottub butt naked, then passing out! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_213.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzeb045)

taxnerd

11-04-2004, 10:25 AM

I always hear that I had funhttp://www.shakefire.com/boards/images/icons/icon7.gif, doesn't that count for something!

Nailady

11-04-2004, 12:03 PM

I always hear that I had funhttp://www.shakefire.com/boards/images/icons/icon7.gif, doesn't that count for something!
LOL! Yes ma'am...having fun counts for a lot! I just wish I had been a fly on the wall when these people were trying to get you dressed before the paramedics got there.

One of these days, you just might talk me into going to one of these places with you...that is when you don't have to plant in the garden or something like that.

Remember, my idea of "roughing it" is the Holiday Inn...;)

Willy Wonka

11-23-2004, 04:17 PM

Okay, so is everyone going to run away because Bush won, or start a rebel communion in the mountain area of Georgia?

Ok - can I ask you guys something? Do you have faith in the fact that if Kerry won, he would not have focused on Afghanistan?

xmanadan

11-23-2004, 05:30 PM

If you tried and would like to apologize, click below:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/img/sorryworld1.jpg (http://www.sorryeverybody.com/)

And if you would like to flee the U.S. and get Canadian citizenship, click below:
Marry an American (http://www.marryanamerican.ca/)
They match up single Americans with single Canadians. Health insurance, here I come!

dberg1

11-23-2004, 05:47 PM

I've seen the Marry an American site. I think it is hysterical! My brother is considering grad school in British Columbia...more now since Bush was elected.

scoop9242

11-25-2004, 11:40 PM

Peter Oberth

11-26-2004, 05:11 AM

We still live in the best country...though it's not perfect. What country is? I would not trade our health care system with any other...it's better than any other country offers. I would suggest those who are unhappy here try another country. What do you have to lose? If we are so bad, why is everyone trying to immigrate here? Just a thought..............

ok, I know there are some people that say they hate this country, want to leave and all that. But, just because we voice our distaste for a lot of things that this country now stands for and a lot of things our leader is doing on our behalf, doesn't mean we want to leave. Everyone immediately jumps to assume that we want to leave and we think some other country is better. It's really annoying. I love this country. The only way I would go to another country is if I had a vacation home somewhere else. When did it become not OK to voice our opinion? When did Republicans start branding us as anti-American because we don't support the person that we ourselves did not elect? Why when we say something specific like "our educational system sucks" do the Republicans say "Leave the fuckin' country then."

I'm seriously getting sick of it. We have a right to be heard and speak against Bush just like you had your right to speak out against Clinton and you will have your right to speak out against the next Democrat president. Just don't try to kick us out of the country for trying to fix something that effects us when you are trying to ban Gay Marriage, something that effects you in no way. If Republicans have such a problem with Democrats and our right to speak out...leave the fuckin' country. I, of course, do not mean that. Why would anyone try to kick anyone out of their birth country that they have a right to be in? Happy Thanksgiving. (tongue firmly in cheek)

ps-before someone jumps on my case, I know I posted about starting a rebel island but that, my friends, was obviously a joke.

Willy Wonka

11-29-2004, 01:21 PM

Let's all go to Italy. They have the best prices on medications than any other country so far.